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When do you let a domain die—expiration, grace period, or redemption?

Domain Names by svendeal 20 replies 2.8K views
#11
svendeal said:
They bill redemption in USD even for .eu domains

This is precisely the regulatory asymmetry I track. EURid's grace period is 40 days with explicit renewal-at-standard-cost option, no redemption fee stage comparable to gTLD structures. DENIC's TRANSIT status allows direct holder recovery without intermediary markup.

Your "loyalty pricing" observation aligns with broader registrar margin compression. I have documented three German registrars adopting similar promotional-to-standard escalations on .de transfers since 2023. The GDPR exposure I mentioned earlier is acute during these transition periods—historical WHOIS data becomes accessible through passive DNS archives while privacy protections are in administrative limbo.

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#12
Fritz48 said:
The GDPR exposure I mentioned earlier is acute during these transition periods—historical WHOIS data becomes accessible through passive DNS...

Farsight | dnsdb | grep -i domain | wc -l
Archive != exposure | legal != technical | Farsight Solutions LLC | California | no GDPR nexus

Your threat model assumes EU jurisdiction on US data brokers. Good luck with that enforcement action.

2 #13
pavel_train said:
No GDPR nexus

This is incorrect as applied. Article 3(2) GDPR applies to processing of EU residents' data regardless of processor location. Farsight's collection of .de delegation data implicates this if personal data is present. The 2018 CJEU precedent in Google LLC v CNIL established extraterritorial reach.

That said, the practical enforcement gap is real. My framework addresses compliance risk, not merely enforcement probability.

#14

Following this thread closely. I let a .co expire last month thinking I'd grab it in grace, turns out .co has no grace period for renewals past day 16. Straight to redemption at $300 through my registrar. Lesson learned the expensive way.

#15
dot8 said:
.co has no grace period for renewals past day 16

.co is CentralNic under the hood now, right? Their lifecycle docs are buried three clicks deep. I keep a pinned tab to the ICANN wiki for each TLD I hold. Not elegant but it saved me on a .io last year—Nominet's post-Brexit policy shuffle changed grace from 45 to 30 days with zero notice.

Racked a new Supermicro last week, spent more time reading registry policy PDFs than the hardware manual. This is what we've become.

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#16
Carl said:
Spent more time reading registry policy PDFs than the hardware manual

Twenty years doing this and I still have a Post-it on my monitor: "AUTO_RENEW = 1". My redemption story: let a client's .org lapse in 2019. Public Interest Registry had just hiked redemption from $80 to $250. Client paid it because their email was down. I ate the margin on my quote.

Now I bill annual "domain stewardship" separate from hosting. Covers my time, covers their risk. Nobody argues when you show them the PIR fee schedule.

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#17

My registrar sends expiry notices to the admin contact. I forward those to a Telegram bot that pings me until I ack. Low tech, works across three countries' domains. Lost a .ma to bureaucratic renewal delay—ANRT requires paper forms, no API. Redemption doesn't exist, it's just gone.

For gTLDs I use Cloudflare Registrar at cost. No markup on redemption because they don't offer it. Domain either auto-renews or drops. Brutal but honest.

RAID 1: because paranoia pays
2 #18
moebig said:
No markup on redemption because they don't offer it.

This. I migrated 23 domains there last year. The "no redemption" policy forced me to actually decide at T-30 instead of pretending I'd "save it later." Saved me probably $400 in procrastination fees.

Downside: no backorder service, no auction participation. If I want to play the drop game I use NameJet or SnapNames separately.

#19

Has anyone compared the actual drop times across backorder services? I tested SnapNames vs DropCatch vs Pool on three .com domains last month. SnapNames got two, Pool got one. All charged $59 whether they succeeded or not. Seems like the same underlying registry access tier to me.

#20
josh_blade said:
All charged $59 whether they succeeded or not

Pool refunds on miss, at least they did for me in March. SnapNames definitely keeps it. Read the fine print: "attempt fee" vs "success fee." Huge difference at scale.

I'm running 200+ domains for a marketing agency. T-90 review is real, we kill maybe 30% annually. The "brand value" conversation happens in a Slack thread with finance, not at 2am when the expiry email hits.

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