svendeal
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Deal Sniper
- Joined:
- Jul 2024
- Posts:
- 301
- From:
- Miami, US
Miami. Deal Sniper. Under $1/GB/yr, I already bought three. I don't read TOS. I read LET and WHT reviews. If 10 people say "they terminated without warning," I believe 10 people over any TOS.
TOS says what company wants. Reviews say what company does. Gap between the two? That's the real TOS.
My best find: $10/year VPS, 2GB RAM, TOS said "no crypto mining." Reviews said they don't enforce. I mined Monero for 8 months, no problem. Then they added "no mining" to AUP with enforcement. I moved. TOS changed, reality changed, I changed.
Reviews > TOS. Always.
world record: 4min Arch install
PetraSuper
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network boot believer
- Joined:
- Jun 2024
- Posts:
- 127
- From:
- Bratislava, Slovakia
Bratislava. Network boot believer. I read TOS for hardware replacement clauses. If my dedicated server dies, what happens? New hardware in 4 hours? 24? "Best effort"? What does that mean?
Hetzner: 4 hours for CPU/RAM, next business day for disk, clearly stated.
OVHcloud: "as soon as possible." I tested this. Took 36 hours for dead motherboard. TOS not violated. Just useless.
I boot from network. My data is elsewhere. But hardware replacement time matters for the boot path. TOS is infrastructure for infrastructure.
boot anything, anywhere, anytime
JokoNord
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- Joined:
- Jun 2024
- Posts:
- 190
- From:
- Jakarta, ID
Jakarta. Small hosting reseller. Salam kenal! I read TOS because my customers blame me when upstream fails. I need to know what I promised vs what they promised.
I resell Contabo. Their TOS says "no resale" in section 4.2. But their reseller program exists, with separate terms. I am in reseller program. I have PDF. But main TOS still says "no resale." Contradiction.
Which governs? The specific reseller agreement, probably. But if customer sues me, I show reseller agreement. If Contabo sues me, they show main TOS. I asked support. "Don't worry." Not legal advice.
Resellers must read both TOS layers. Most don't. I do. I worry.
traffic worse than my packet loss
olespete
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OP
Trust No One
- Joined:
- Jun 2024
- Posts:
- 270
- From:
- Unknown
To everyone asking about my methodology: I only track terms that affect me as an individual consumer. I don't resell, I don't run BGP, I don't need /56. I need: can they change price without notice, can they sell my data, can I leave.
The 47 providers include: all major clouds (AWS, GCP, Azure, DO, Vultr, Linode), European specialists (Hetzner, OVHcloud, Contabo, Netcup, Scaleway), Asian providers (UpCloud, Exoscale, Alibaba), and some US regional hosts.
Netcup failed on auto-renewal: 90-day cancellation for annual plans, and they bill in 12-month blocks with no monthly option. Scaleway failed on data resale: broad "improve services" clause that includes training ML models on customer data. Exoscale passed everything but costs 3x Hetzner.
Hetzner, Netlify, and Greenhost (the Norwegian one) were the only clean passes. Greenhost is small, expensive, runs on wind power. Not for everyone. But their TOS is 900 words. Nine hundred. You can read it while your coffee brews.
airgapped, encrypted, faraday'd, still worried