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HostHatch green hosting: are the deals actually green?

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#1

Hi all, Petra here from HostHatch. We wanted to address some questions about our green hosting tier. We purchase RECs to match 100% of our energy consumption, which is an industry-standard approach. Our upstream datacenter partners handle the physical power mix, and we focus on what we can control. I understand the concern though. :) Our PUE is 1.3 at our flagship facility.

#2

AS64512 here. Your prefix is originated by a facility drawing from ERCOT grid, 38% coal per EIA 2023. RECs are financial instruments, not electrons. Here's the actual path: [you]--[HostHatch]--[cogent]--[datacenter]--[grid]. No ASN, no opinion. Diagram: your server --REC--> wind farm in Iowa --electrons--> coal plant in Texas. Not same wire.

#3
  • YABS on HostHatch green tier: 892 MB/s disk, 1.2 GB/s net
  • My $3 CloudCone VPS: 1100 MB/s disk, 1.5 GB/s net
  • Your $10 green markup buys worse perf
  • My $3 box beats your $10 lol
  • Optimization is the only green that matters
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#4

What's the CPU model behind that PUE 1.3?

#5

Jihoonred86 comparing $3 quartz to $10 green, ouch

#6

20 years in this game and RECs still fool people. Petra, you buy paper, not power. Your upstream draws from whatever's on the pole. That 1.3 PUE is facility efficiency, not grid mix. My Ohio colo runs on 65% natural gas per AEP and nobody sells me a certificate to pretend it's hydro.

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3 #7

haroldgsm said:
My Ohio colo runs on 65% natural gas per AEP
Exactly. The electron does not know your good intentions. RECs unbundle attributes from energy. You are left with brown electrons and a green receipt. This is not controversial; it is accounting.

#8

petra said:
PUE is 1.3
Still waiting on that CPU model. Also which facility? You list fourteen cities. PUE varies by site, not by brand.

2 #9

To clarify: the 1.3 PUE is at our Amsterdam flagship. CPU varies by plan, typically AMD EPYC 7003 series or Intel Xeon Gold. We don't hide the REC mechanism; we disclose it. The alternative is doing nothing.

#10

petra said:
The alternative is doing nothing
The alternative is Hetzner, OVH, anyone with actual hydro or nuclear behind the meter. My Montreal clients don't need RECs, Quebec grid is 94% hydro. Your Amsterdam 1.3 PUE with Dutch gas mix plus Polish coal imports. Greenwashing premium.

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