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Cheap TLDs (.cyou, .icu, .top) — spam reputation poison or fine for projects?

Domain Names by mediaaustin 25 replies 1.4K views
#11
mediaaustin said:
Per registered domain. My methodology: I pulled zone file access

Appreciate the clarification. That is a solid methodology. I was worried you were comparing raw SBL listing counts without normalizing for zone size, which would make .com look saintly just because it is enormous.

Still, the base rate matters. If .cyou has a 0.7% 90-day listing rate and .com has 0.1%, your legitimate domain is probably fine if you keep clean neighbors. The problem is the receivers who do not distinguish. I run my own mail for a few friends on a .xyz and I had to warm the IP for weeks. Same IP, same config, .com on another vhost: instant inbox. Anecdote, not data, but it stung.

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#12
hankels said:
.icu renewal at my registrar is $6.99

Which registrar is that? I need under $4 or the client walks. Hostinger first-year is cheap but their renewal is $8.99 last I checked. Namecheap bulk was around $7.50. Porkbun had a promo at $3.75 but it expired.

I am starting to think the only way to hit my margin is to eat the first-year loss and rotate domains annually. Which is exactly the behavior that poisons these TLDs. The economics are self-fulfilling.

Also: does anyone have experience with Cloudflare Registrar for .icu? They bill at cost supposedly but their TLD list changes.

your margin is my opportunity
#13
RAJ said:
Which registrar is that?

Porkbun, but that was a transfer promo from last spring. Regular renewal is higher now. I should have been clearer.

Cloudflare Registrar does .icu at $6.88, no markup. That is their whole pitch. But you have to use their DNS, which is fine, and they do not do bulk management well. No API for mass renewal that I know of. For 50 domains you are clicking a lot.

The rotate-annually thing works until you need SEO continuity or SSL history. I did it with a .click for a redirect farm once. Google treats the new domain like a newborn for weeks. Not worth it for landing pages that need to index.

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5 #14
RAJ said:
Does anyone have experience with Cloudflare Registrar

I have a few there. The pricing is exactly as advertised: cost plus ICANN fee, no markup, no renewal jumps. For .icu that is $6.88, for .top it is $6.88, for .cyou it is $7.88 last I looked. So RAJ, you are not hitting $4 unless you find a loss-leader promo.

The downside: no phone support, email-only, and they are strict about compliance. Had a .xyz there that got flagged because the WHOIS email bounced once. Took 48 hours to resolve. Fine for personal use, risky for client work where the client controls the email and ignores it.

Also worth noting: Cloudflare does not sell email. So if your client later wants hello@domain, you are migrating or adding Google Workspace separately.

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#15
hankels said:
Keep it. If you get a real job and want to look "professional" spend the $10 on a .com later

Thanks hankels and quinnbizz. That is reassuring. I will keep the .top for now and maybe grab a .com next year when I graduate.

One more question: my Vultr VPS is in Toronto. If I switch TLDs later, does moving the site to a new domain hurt SEO if I set up redirects properly? I have read conflicting things. Some people say 301 passes all juice, others say there is a "sandbox" period. This is just a portfolio so SEO does not matter much, but I am curious.

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#16
sarahjey said:
Does moving the site to a new domain hurt SEO if I set up redirects properly?

301 redirect passes most authority. The "sandbox" people talk about is usually them doing it wrong: chains of redirects, or redirecting everything to the homepage instead of page-to-page. Do it clean and you are fine.

For a portfolio with no existing backlinks to speak of, the SEO impact is basically zero. You are not The Verge changing domains. You are a student with three projects and a resume. Redirect, update your LinkedIn, done.

Also: Vultr Toronto is a solid choice. I have a box there. Low latency to Ottawa, good peering.

seedbox, NAS, tape, and three offsite
3 #17
sarahjey said:
Moving the site to a new domain

If you process any contact form submissions or analytics data from EU visitors, remember that the redirect period creates a dual-domain situation for your records. Both domains are controllers for that brief window. Document the transition date and the 301 mapping in your processing register. I have seen auditors flag this in small sites because the owner forgot they ever owned the old domain.

Also, if you use Cloudflare or any US-based CDN, the Schrems II analysis applies to both domains. The redirect does not exempt you.

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6 #18
Fritz48 said:
Some corporate firewalls do indeed block these TLDs by default

Can confirm from the other side. At the old gig our Palo Alto had .icu, .cyou, .top on "newly observed domain" with a 30-day aging, not 90. So Fritz48's firm is stricter, but the category exists and is deployed. The feed is from PAN-DB, not some custom list. Any Palo Alto with current licenses and default categories has this available.

The false positive rate was low enough that management did not care. "If it is important they will use a real domain" was the actual quote from our CISO. Harsh but common mindset.

For sarahjey: your portfolio is not reaching anyone behind such a firewall. But those people are mostly enterprise employees browsing during lunch. Your hiring manager at a startup is on a MacBook at a coffee shop. Perspective.

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#19
adam20 said:
The false positive rate was low enough that management did not care

This is the core problem. The TLD-level blocking is a lazy heuristic that externalizes cost onto legitimate users because the abuse ratio is high enough to make it "efficient." Same logic as IP reputation lists that blacklist entire /24s. The individual harm is invisible, the aggregate savings are measurable.

I maintain that registry continuity is the bigger risk for web-only use. Three of these budget TLDs are operated by registries that have changed hands or restructured in the past five years. .top had that weird period where the Chinese operator and ICANN were in a public dispute over compliance. Nothing failed, but the EPP stability was not guaranteed. For a throwaway: fine. For something you care about: why gamble.

airgapped, encrypted, faraday'd, still worried
#20

I run a small tracker community on .icu for three years. No email, just HTTPS. No firewall complaints from users, but my userbase is technical and probably not behind corporate proxies.

One thing I noticed: some Russian ISPs cache DNS aggressively for cheap TLDs. TTL of 300, they hold it for hours. Not unique to .icu but more common in my logs than .com. Could be coincidence. Could be the resolver farms treating low-price zones as "likely dynamic" and optimizing accordingly. Frustrating when you migrate servers.

For RAJ: I buy through a local reseller who beats Porkbun on .icu by a few cents. Not helpful for your scale. Cloudflare at cost is probably your floor.

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