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Overselling isn't evil, lying about it is

Web Hosting by readerkrakw 23 replies 6.3K views
readerkrakw

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Backup Paranoid

#1

Overselling isnt evil, lying about it is Every host oversells. U know it. I know it. Fthe "dedicated resources" marketing. But what if providers just published density metrics? Like "fis node runs 400 accounts on 64gb ram" and let u decide if u care lol I dont care if my vps neighbor is mining monero at 3am as long as my latency stays under 50ms. the problem is u sign up for "guaranteed 2gb ram" and its actually 512mb after kernel samepage merging or whatever fthey do Transparency > fake guarantees

tallinnying

Member

Night Shift

#2

Anyway I ran an experiment at 3am last month

Took a RackNerd "1GB guaranteed" plan, wrote a tiny c program that malloc'd in a loop until oom-killer showed up. Got 847MB before death. Their control panel still says "100% memory available" idk why I do this

#include <stdlib.h>
Int main() {
While(1) malloc(1024*1024);
}

Published density metrics would at least let me know if I'm the experiment or the product lol

builds at 3AM, sleeps at noon
lee_mcr

Member

#3

Right then, I'll be honest with you lot

Hostinger oversells. Proper oversells. Our tiny plans are stacked six deep on nodes that'd make you weep. But we tell you. "budget tier: up to 80 accounts per core, burst allowed, fair share." nobody reads it, but it's there.

The lie is what stings. Had a lad last week fuming that his "dedicated" wordpress install was on a node with 200 others. Mate, you paid three quid a month. What did you think was happening?

Cheers lads 🦡

Honey badger don't care... about downtime
Ray

Member

#4

In 1987 we ran 300 terminals off a single VAX with 16 megabytes of RAM and nobody complained because we told them EXACTLY what they were getting. The Google did not exist. The Facebook did not exist. We had accountability.

I spoke with a former colleague who worked at a host I will not name. 800 accounts. 32 gigabytes of RAM. Nobody noticed for years. The young people today call this "cloud" and pay extra for it. Remarkable.

RE

Member

#5

847MB out of 1GB "guaranteed"? That's not overselling, that's just theft.

FR

Member

#6

Three quid a month lol what do people expect

CH

Member

#7

800 accounts on 32gb ram is normal now ạ very sad

klaus

Member

yaml victim

#8

Density metrics would solve most of the drama honestly. Just publish the numbers

adam20

Member

Ex-Abuse Desk

#9

847MB and they still claim 100%? That's not overselling that's just broken.

reported. resolved. repeat.
quinnbizz

Member

#10

847MB from a "1GB guaranteed" plan is rough but the 100% available thing is what gets me. That's not a density metric, that's just a broken sensor.

lee_mcr said:
Nobody reads it, but it's there

This is the real problem. Even when providers are upfront, the info is buried in a ToS next to arbitration clauses. A proper density dashboard would actually get looked at because it's a number that means something.

Has anyone actually seen a provider do this well? Not marketing fluff, just a live "this node is at X% capacity" somewhere you can find it without grep-ing their status page.

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